question of the application of factory paint (74 candy apple red)

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dynodave said:
The metalic paints and candy apple are one process.
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Metalflake is another product.
According to our current NENO president, who now runs his own does graphics business, and also does a little norton painting on the side for local club guys. As a kid had been to MetalFlake and knew the owner of metalflake.. Metalflake Corp in Haverhill Mass is the originator of the original "metalflake" process and product. He had seen them packaging product to ship to daddy roth and even to Norton Villers! It must have been around 67-70 ...It was metal back then and today others make plastic flakes.
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Hi Dave,

Can you confirm the metal flakes were not colored going to Norton Villiers? This Is my belief from working on original fireflake fiberglass parts from Commandos. The colored toner than went over the silver flake was very thin necessitated by not getting the color too dark. Consequently the color fades quickly particularly the red. I suppose if starting fresh colored flakes with clear over will hold up much better.
 
I have a candy red 850 tank. its in poor shape and I am about 90% sure it is original. I heard the red would fade if a new bike was up against a window and the sun shined in. Interesting the Norton script has the same black outline that my black bike has ( with a silver main color for the red and gold for the black) I think there is no clear on the either.
question of the application of factory paint (74 candy apple red)
question of the application of factory paint (74 candy apple red)
question of the application of factory paint (74 candy apple red)
question of the application of factory paint (74 candy apple red)
question of the application of factory paint (74 candy apple red)
 
Do we have a definitive answer on whether the factory pin striping was brushed or sprayed?

I had always assumed it was masked / stencilled, and sprayed. Whereas I believe Triumphs were always hand lined, as seen in this clip at around the 5.56 point:

 
I've been using R-M's Carizzma paint line for candies and pearls for many years. From their web site:

How are traditional candy colors made? They are created by spraying a base color, then tinting a clearcoat with a dye and spraying it over top. Since dyes typically degrade in sunlight, several coats of clear on top of the tinted color are necessary.
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http://www.carizzmacolor.com/candy.html

Red dyes in particular will fade and get chalky unless protected from UV rays. I'm not sure how well the lacquers of the 70's blocked UV sunlight, but if they did use a clear it would not have been over the pin stripes. Classic striping paint in those days was enamel based and would have needed a month or more to cure before being safe under lacquer clear. Today's stripers would use a single stage urethane.

Painting candies is an art. The depth and final color depends on the number of coats and the ground coat underneath. One iteration of CAR I did on my Roadster was bright red in sunlight and looked orange under fluorescent lights.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Do we have a definitive answer on whether the factory pin striping was brushed or sprayed?

I had always assumed it was masked / stencilled, and sprayed. Whereas I believe Triumphs were always hand lined, as seen in this clip at around the 5.56 point:

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I thought the consensus was the Norton Commando parts were hand pinstriped. But I never talked to the person(s) that were there at the time either .o_O
 
illf8ed said:
Hi Dave, Can you confirm the metal flakes were not colored going to Norton Villiers? This Is my belief from working on original fireflake fiberglass parts from Commandos. The colored toner than went over the silver flake was very thin necessitated by not getting the color too dark. Consequently the color fades quickly particularly the red. I suppose if starting fresh colored flakes with clear over will hold up much better.
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I think Gary(our prez) said it was bulk silver being packaged for Norton. It was metal only back then. It might have been that norton had to acquire the flake . I don't know that norton did any fiberglass production and may have had to supply Curley with the flake: https://www.curleygrp.co.uk/about-curley-grp
For this reason I believe the early fiberglass components had "CM###" as the part number on many of my Norton and some dunstall glass pieces.

IIRC Gary does hand pinstriping too.
 
dynodave said:
I think Gary(our prez) said it was bulk silver being packaged for Norton. It was metal only back then. It might have been that norton had to acquire the flake . I don't know that norton did any fiberglass production and may have had to supply Curley with the flake: https://www.curleygrp.co.uk/about-curley-grp
For this reason I believe the early fiberglass components had "CM###" as the part number on many of my Norton and some dunstall glass pieces.

IIRC Gary does hand pinstriping too.
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Yes my ‘69 side cover has CM 484 on the bottom.
 
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