One bike, lots of Honda's use this
Vibrations on the clip ons
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yves norton seeley
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Thanks friend
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RGM sell these foam grips which I find work very well indeed. They are also quite thin which will also help you. Might be able to find them from other sellers as well.
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And the same doesn't apply to those other Atlas engined P11s etc?
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I've heard of someone filling the bars with silicone mastic and lead shot.
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Please share your sketch with the rest of us Concours.
I thought about this some years ago. My thinking was to use sleeves on the stanchions from rubber mounted Tomiseli headlamp brackets, and mount the clamp screws such that they faced forwards and I could use a tie plate to secure the clip ons to each other and thus protect against rotating under braking etc.
In the end, I had the crank balanced instead so the idea became moot !
I thought about this some years ago. My thinking was to use sleeves on the stanchions from rubber mounted Tomiseli headlamp brackets, and mount the clamp screws such that they faced forwards and I could use a tie plate to secure the clip ons to each other and thus protect against rotating under braking etc.
In the end, I had the crank balanced instead so the idea became moot !
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I also have small hands and I hate those bulbous grips Fast Eddie favours, with a vengeance!
I use a standard grip fitting on my bikes of Renthal medium, they are great with my hands and give excellent control feel.
But Renthal also do a soft compound in the same design and material thickness, which may add a little to the other things you are doing.
It may be possible to get some gel between you and the grips with cyclists fingerless gel gloves inside your riding gloves, if the riding gloves aren't too tight!
I would at least raise the clip ons as far as they can go even if it means cutting a little of the fairing away.
I certainly fit my clip ons higher than I did in the days when my stomach was not rested on the tank!
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Hmmm... I don’t exactly ‘favour‘ them Steve. To be honest I also disliked them for many years. In fact, I’m pretty sure I posted my dislike on here before !
But these days it’s a choice between the lesser of two evils: fat grips or numb hands (this only refers to my bikes with low bars / clip ons).
I therefore use them on one clip ons adorned bike. The other, the Commando is currently on ‘short runs and track day’ duty, so that still has my real favoured grips, nice thin gel Pro Grips.
But these days it’s a choice between the lesser of two evils: fat grips or numb hands (this only refers to my bikes with low bars / clip ons).
I therefore use them on one clip ons adorned bike. The other, the Commando is currently on ‘short runs and track day’ duty, so that still has my real favoured grips, nice thin gel Pro Grips.
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This kind of doesn't apply since clip-ons are what you currently have and are discussing, and also your fairing height is also a consideration. However, I remember riding an old Honda 450 vertical twin back in the 70's, and it had a one piece regular type handle bar with the risers from the top triple clamp or yoke, that were rubber mounted. The thru bolts of the risers had rubber bungs on either side of the yoke ( one on top and one on the bottom , effectively sandwiching the yoke) and insulating the whole handle bar. As I recall, the rubbers were worn out I suppose because the handle bars moved an awful lot and I had never ridden a bike set up like that and was therefore not prepared for all of the excessive movement (startled me at first). I bet some modern silicone could be used instead of the old rubber. Anyway just a thought, I find my hands going a bit numb these days, even on short rides ( I'm 58 now so it must have something to do with it, no matter how much I lie to myself , saying age is only a number) Cj
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Hi Steve,
First: the disagrements from vibrations appears only after 20 miles, no disagrement on the Cumings footrest or other parts of the Seeley.
The cyclist fingerless gel gloves is maybe the good solution, do you try it?
I can not raise the clip ons more, they are toutching the upper yoke.
The Oberon bar ends I fit now are the aluminium ones, not the Stainlees steel.
I wish to try the Driven grips and Oberon bar ends ASAP, but it's raining all the time.
Keep you posted
Yves
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No, I thought of it when I rode a borrowed Rickman a few years a go!
But when I ride mine I don't have any problems!
Maney crank balanced at about 78%
But I have a bike I hope to ride soon, which may just need them!
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A friend of mine has an Altas he raced successfully in almost standard form in the 1960s. He uses a crank balance factor of almost 80 %. Old British bikes are a compromise. You decide how you want to use them and set them up to suit. A standard Atlas would probably be horrible when used for commuting. But out in the open, probably extremely good. When the CB750 came along, it set a new norm as far as vibration is concerned. It changed customers' expectations. You should remember back then, that motor scooters were also very popular. When I ride a motorcycle, I like to feel the hair growing on my chest. But that is not for everybody.
My Seeley 850 is set up to be smooth when being used between 5,500 and 7000 RPM - (70% balance factor). You obviously would not set it up that way, if you wanted to ride it in heavy traffic every day. At 3000 RPM, it rocks backwards and forwards when it is running.
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There is another friend of mine who used to have a sponsored ride on a genuine CR750 Honda. He did not like it. I rode a CB750 when they were new, it was like riding a brick. On the race track, my 500cc Triton used to make them look stupid. They did not go until the guys fitted CB450 pistons into them and made them into 830cc. I am surprised the first Commandos were not fitted with a bathtub rear mudguard, like the Triumph Thunderbird - designed for the guys who wore duffle coats and desert boots.
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'I‘m a fan of the old style Beston grips' is what I read in your earlier post!
And I thought fans favoured things!
Damn that language of ours!
I don't just dislike them, I never feel in control with them, I can't really close my hands around them and I hate the 'plastic' feel! I have never understood why anybody fitted them to anything, ever!
But each to his own! The Galindo Superbike style a lot of people seem to 'favour' and I just dislike!
The thin gel Pro Grips sound like they might be fine, I have never tried them, maybe I should, but they would need to be very thin for me!
I tried the Renthals way back in 2002 and have fitted them to everything I have had since then. With the exception of a pair of heated grips and a set of grips that are similar thickness and diamond pattern to the Renthals that came with Domino QA throttles, they are similar in feel to Renthals hard compound.
And I have a pair of Doherty replica grips on my AJS single. Doherty were my preference way way back, so I wanted to try them, they look the part, however today's replicas are too hard. But the bike is only used for up to 50 mile rides, and I am sitting up.
A life in handlebar grips eh? But the feel is important to comfort!
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'I‘m a fan of the old style Beston grips' is what I read in your earlier post!
And I thought fans favoured things!
Damn that language of ours!
I don't just dislike them, I never feel in control with them, I can't really close my hands around them and I hate the 'plastic' feel! I have never understood why anybody fitted them to anything, ever!
But each to his own! The Galindo Superbike style a lot of people seem to 'favour' and I just dislike!
The thin gel Pro Grips sound like they might be fine, I have never tried them, maybe I should, but they would need to be very thin for me!
I tried the Renthals way back in 2002 and have fitted them to everything I have had since then. With the exception of a pair of heated grips and a set of grips that are similar thickness and diamond pattern to the Renthals that came with Domino QA throttles, they are similar in feel to Renthals hard compound.
And I have a pair of Doherty replica grips on my AJS single. Doherty were my preference way way back, so I wanted to try them, they look the part, however today's replicas are too hard. But the bike is only used for up to 50 mile rides, and I am sitting up.
A life in handlebar grips eh? But the feel is important to comfort!
We’re making a meal of this!
Yes, I am a fan of the SOFT Beston type grips NOW as they solve a problem for me. ‘Plastic‘ feel? As I explained, the hard plastic ones are indeed, hard and plastic. The soft Emgo ones are soft, hollow, and rubbery.
But, I wouldn’t want them on a track bike.
I was a Doherty boy too! So much so I bought a box full, which I still have somewhere. I stopped using them cos as I got more soft, I found them too hard.
Anyway, my favoured Pro Grips, and ones I’d suggest you give a go, are the 699s, they are thin, but obviously, if you want some cushion effect, they need a certain thickness by default. They have grooves for wiring them on too (make sure you get open ended ones for your bar end plugs):
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