Follower scar oil tests (2018)

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comnoz said:
I would add that it should be changed at least once a year regardless of the mileage, preferably just before it is put away for the season.
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I never understood this. Why change oil every year if the engine has not been run much at all? I am talking of a few hundred miles or less. Oil sitting in the bike does not age any faster than if sitting 1+ years on a shelf in the store, IMHO. At least, i don’t think it does here in hot and dry California.
 
ando said:
Another amazing thread Jim.

While Aeroshell has been tested, Aeroshell Plus has not. Neither Aeroshell or Aeroshell Plus contain any ZDDP, however Aeroshell Plus does contain TCP (tricresyl phosphate) which is an antiwear and extreme pressure additive. A neighbour who is a retired industrial chemist that worked in the oil industry advised me that TCP has the advantage over ZDDP of much lower friction and heat. A test on Aeroshell Plus W80 (straight 50) might be interesting. (TCP is a neurotoxin).

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Great information.

A little harder to find but Aircraft Spruce had it.

I ordered in 1 qt of w80 plus, 1 qt of 100w plus and 1 qt of Sport plus for testing.

Do you know what the equivalent weight of the 100w would be?
 
elefantrider said:
I never understood this. Why change oil every year if the engine has not been run much at all? I am talking of a few hundred miles or less. Oil sitting in the bike does not age any faster than if sitting 1+ years on a shelf in the store, IMHO. At least, i don’t think it does here in hot and dry California.
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Oil picks up water from combustion of the fuel.
One gallon of fuel burned produces one gallon of water as a byproduct.
Most of it goes out the exhaust pipe but, some of this water makes it's way into the oil and if it is left there for long periods it will cause oil oxidation and metal corrosion.
 
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Kendall_GT1_Competition_20W50_conventional
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

149 lbs Load
No data for heat from high pressure shear
5.54 heat from viscous friction

Not a good oil for a Norton

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Schaeffer's_700_Synshield_15W40_Parasynthetic
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

135 lbs load
No data for heat from high pressure shear
3.13 heat from viscous friction

Not a good choice for a Norton
 
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Jim

Actually I wrongly stated W80 is 50 grade.

W80 is 40 grade and W100 is 50 grade
 
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So here is something I have been looking for. An additive that really works.
I was actually a BG dealer from around 1980 till 2006. I sold a lot of BG-MOA and even used it in my bike for part of the time.
The earlier formula [HASHTAG]#110[/HASHTAG] was made from a conventional oil base and it tended to get really black in a Norton motor in just a few hundred miles.
I had noticed a new formula [HASHTAG]#115[/HASHTAG] a couple years ago but had never tried it.
I finally broke down and bought a can.
I was surprised at what it did to the load capacity of the two oils I have tested so far. The new stuff is made from a synthetic base and handles the higher temps very well.

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Mobil_1_20W50_V-Twin_ with 8.5%_BG_MOA_Extended_Life
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

465 lbs Load [287 lbs increase from averaged tests with no additive]
0 heat from viscous friction
1.7 heat from high pressure shear

Highly recommended for Norton

And I did test it several times both with and without the additive -as I found it hard to believe.

Friction was also reduced from tests with no additive.

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MPT_20W60_Motorcycle_with BG-MOA_EL 8.5%
Follower scar oil tests (2018)

383 Lbs Load [167 lbs increase]
0 heat from viscous friction
1.2 heat from high pressure shear

Another highly recommended combination for Norton
 
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Jim, BG say this on their web site:

“The potent detergency and antioxidant system in BG Extended Life MOA® prevents engine oil degradation and thickening under even the most severe stop-and-go, high temperature driving“.

So, if this stuff has detergent in it, perhaps it would be a perfect blend with Redline 60w racing oil? That performed very well, but doesn’t have detergent... worth testing?
 
What happens to Bel Ray with the additive....I can at least buy Bel Ray.....I wil llook elswhere but at the prices shown on amazon.fr I will not be buying BG MOA!
 
Any interest in testing the BG MOA in a conventional oil?

I'll admit that I am gleaning stuff from this thread that will be put to use in pieces of equipment other than a Norton.
 
On a Norton fill of approximately 3 quarts, 8.5% of additive is 8 fluid ounces.
One container of BG MOA EL is 11 fl oz for $15, which looks sufficient for just a little more than 1 oil change on a Norton.


To my eyes, M1 V-Twin with the BG EL MOA additive looks a little better than the straight Bel Ray, and at about the same total price ratio, but I am not sure it would be clutch safe for modern bikes. (I like to use the same container of oil for all my bikes). Too bad M1 doesn't sell V-twin oil in larger 4 or 5 quart containers for a lower price! Would make mixing easier as well.
 
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elefantrider said:
On a Norton fill of approximately 3 quarts, 8.5% of additive is 8 fluid ounces.
One container of BG MOA EL is 11 fl oz for $15, which looks sufficient for just a little more than 1 oil change on a Norton.


To my eyes, M1 V-Twin with the BG EL MOA additive looks a little better than the straight Bel Ray, and at about the same total price ratio, but I am not sure it would be clutch safe for modern bikes. (I like to use the same container of oil for all my bikes). Too bad M1 doesn't sell V-twin oil in larger 4 or 5 quart containers for a lower price! Would make mixing easier as well.
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It is clutch safe.

Pep Boys has Mobil 1 V-twin on sale for $7.28 a quart delivered.
Unfortunately a 5 quart limit.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mobil-1-V-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
 
elefantrider said:
On a Norton fill of approximately 3 quarts, 8.5% of additive is 8 fluid ounces.
One container of BG MOA EL is 11 fl oz for $15, which looks sufficient for just a little more than 1 oil change on a Norton.
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Steve is talking about buying MOA in Europe. The best I’ve found so far for the 115 spec is £43 for one can, that’s $55 ...
 
The country to country variation in costs of these products is quite amazing.
How can that be in a world where money moves in seconds and trade is ( mostly)
free?

Glen
 
Fast Eddie said:
Steve is talking about buying MOA in Europe. The best I’ve found so far for the 115 spec is £43 for one can, that’s $55 ...
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Ouch....to think I used to buy the conventional oil formula for ~$4.75 a can when I was a dealer.
 
If it really does test to be good stuff then the best option for us Europeans would be to buy a few cans at a time direct from the US. Shipping will bump the price up of course, but we’ll still come in at WAY under $55 per can!

A bit of a PITA, but worth it if it’s good stuff IMHO.
 
Fast Eddie said:
If it really does test to be good stuff then the best option for us Europeans would be to buy a few cans at a time direct from the US. Shipping will bump the price up of course, but we’ll still come in at WAY under $55 per can!

A bit of a PITA, but worth it if it’s good stuff IMHO.
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You might ask this guy if he ships to Europe.
 
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He doesn’t Jim!

Someone will though, but I’m gonna wait till you’ve done testing before ordering a load.
 
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